Legislature(2003 - 2004)

01/28/2004 01:35 PM Senate HES

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                       SB 217-GENETIC PRIVACY                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took up SB 217.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked for a motion to adopt Version D as the work draft                                                             
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN so moved.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced that without objection, Version D was before                                                              
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONNY OLSON, sponsor of SB 217, explained to members this                                                               
legislation is his attempt to get a handle on the complicated issue                                                             
of genetic privacy. His sponsor statement follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     On  June  26,  2000,  The Human  Genome  Project,  a  public                                                               
     consortium, and Celera Genomics,  a private company, jointly                                                               
     announced the  completion of a  'working draft of  the human                                                               
     genome,' spelling out  the 3 billion 'letters'  of the human                                                               
     genome -  the biochemical  messages encoded  in our  DNA for                                                               
     manufacturing and operating a complete human being.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This  is the  stepping-stone  in  deciphering the  blueprint                                                               
     that  makes us  human.    Every human  cell  - hair,  blood,                                                               
     fingernail  parings, and  body tissue  - carries  a complete                                                               
     set  of our  genes.   Consequently,  these genetic  profiles                                                               
     will yield information  that could be used against  us.  For                                                               
     example,  insurance companies  can decide  whether to  issue                                                               
     life   insurance  based   upon  our   gene  make-up,   i.e.,                                                               
     predisposition  to  cancer,   alcoholism,  or  other  health                                                               
     concerns.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We have  state laws to  restrict access to  medical records;                                                               
     however,  the  State  of  Alaska  has  yet  to  specify  any                                                               
     protection of  genetic information.  Medical  information is                                                               
     presumed  confidential,  but  the increasing  capability  to                                                               
     store and  rapidly transfer data escalates  the challenge of                                                               
     protecting privacy.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     At the present time, there  is no national statute regarding                                                               
     genetic privacy laws. Fifteen  states have required informed                                                               
     consent for  a third party  to perform or require  a genetic                                                               
     test or  to obtain genetic information.  Twenty-three states                                                               
     require informed consent to disclose genetic information.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR OLSON continued:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      I have introduced SB 217 to give special consideration to                                                                 
     the advancing biotechnology and protect our genetic privacy                                                                
     rights.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON told members his intention  is not to interfere with law                                                          
enforcement, medical  necessity, or  paternity determination.  He said                                                          
this is  the first  step in a  multi-step action to  try to  make sure                                                          
each  resident  in  the  state  has  protection  for  his/her  genetic                                                          
privacy.    He  informed  members  that  SB  217  covers  all  genetic                                                          
material.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  questions  from members,  CHAIR  DYSON  took  public                                                          
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHN  GEORGE, American  Council  of  Life Insurers  (ACLI),  told                                                          
members  that  SB 217  is  aimed  largely  at insurance  companies  to                                                          
prohibit  discrimination.   He  said  by  definition   in  the  Alaska                                                          
Insurance  Code, AS  21,  discrimination is  permitted  but cannot  be                                                          
unfair.  Rates  must  be adequate  and  not  unfairly  discriminatory.                                                          
However, anyone  can recognize  that some people  should pay  more for                                                          
auto  insurance based  on their  characteristics.  Although every  16-                                                          
year-old  male driver  may not  have  an accident,  that driver  falls                                                          
within a  class of  people with  a higher  risk than  35-year-old male                                                          
drivers. Therefore, insurance, by  definition, does discriminate. Life                                                          
insurance  rates  differ  for  males  and  females.  Companies  cannot                                                          
discriminate based  on rates, but  mortality tables show that  men and                                                          
women have  different life expectancies.  That information is  used to                                                          
determine rates.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEORGE told members that  genetic information indicates a person's                                                          
propensity [for  diseases]. He  said the ACLI  is very  concerned that                                                          
"genetic  information"  is  defined  broadly  enough  to  exclude  any                                                          
medical information.  The ACLI believes in  confidentiality of genetic                                                          
information and  insurance regulations deal with  that issue. However,                                                          
once an  insurance company  has appropriate  underwriting information,                                                          
it will need  to keep that information  for the life of  the policy to                                                          
justify why  it put a  person in  a particular underwriting  class. SB
217 indicates that  once the information is used, it  must be disposed                                                          
of. He said the ACLI has  substantial problems with the bill. He spoke                                                          
with  Senator Olson  and  is  in the  process  of providing  suggested                                                          
language  changes.  He  noted the  sponsor  indicated  that  insurance                                                          
underwriting is  a main reason  for the  introduction of the  bill. He                                                          
said he  has not seen  Version D before today  and is not  prepared to                                                          
address it. He  repeated that the ACLI has some  serious problems with                                                          
the original bill and  that he is willing to work  with the sponsor to                                                          
come up with some compromise language.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS asked for an explanation of how the genetic information                                                           
of groups is currently being used by insurance companies.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEORGE stated:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ...first of all, in the  broad definition of what is genetic                                                               
     information, if  we're talking about  looking at  a specific                                                               
     gene, a  propensity for  cancer for  instance, that  is more                                                               
     specific than information you might  find on a questionnaire                                                               
     -  has anyone  in your  family ever  had cancer  - but  it's                                                               
     still genetic  information. Any information  you get  from a                                                               
     blood test - I'm certainly not  an expert and I've come late                                                               
     to the table  on this, but they are very  concerned that the                                                               
     information they are getting now  they would not be able to.                                                               
     We  don't know  what  kind  of information  is  going to  be                                                               
     available - readily available in the future.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I  think, as  the  Senator described,  they  have made  vast                                                               
     progress in  unwinding the helix  and I guess you  come down                                                               
     to a  fundamental question of  should people pay a  rate for                                                               
     their  insurance based  on what  their real  characteristics                                                               
     are or should everybody pay the  same rate or should we only                                                               
     have three  classes or 12  classes. If we're  really talking                                                               
     about protecting the information,  that's already being done                                                               
     largely. The  Division of Insurance has  regulations that do                                                               
     that. If  we're talking  about future  uses, who  knows what                                                               
     that's going to be.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     But, they  are concerned  that information they  are getting                                                               
     now  [indisc.] that  the  consent form  would  be unique  to                                                               
     Alaska   and   so   that    would   create   an   additional                                                               
     administrative burden  because they  deal in all  50 states.                                                               
     They  do have  a  form  now that  H&SS  comes  up with  that                                                               
     they're  using. They  would have  to have  a separate  form.                                                               
     Failing  to do  that,  if  they had  an  error then  there's                                                               
     fairly  substantial  penalties. I  mean  there  are lots  of                                                               
     things that just don't quite work here.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS asked for a specific example of genetic information the                                                           
insurance companies use now that they do not believe they could use                                                             
in the future if SB 217 is enacted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEORGE said he could not provide  one but he would get back to her                                                          
with an answer.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said he assumes the  Senator's concern is that a huge data                                                          
bank could be created in the future involuntarily.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  said that is one  of her concerns. She  also questioned                                                          
at what  point it  would become  an involuntary act  so that  a person                                                          
will not be able to purchase insurance without a DNA test.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked Mr. Mallonee  if DNA  information is used  to prove                                                          
and disprove paternity.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHN  MALLONEE,  testifying  on   behalf  of  the  Child  Support                                                          
Enforcement Division (CSED), Department of Revenue (DOR), said it is.                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked  Mr. Mallonee if anything in  this legislation would                                                          
inhibit CSED's present use of DNA.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MALLONEE said  Version D  is  written in  such a  way to  protect                                                          
CSED's right to use DNA to establish paternity.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  Mr. Beheim  if  he is  aware of  anything in  this                                                          
legislation that will inhibit crime investigation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRIS  BEHEIM, Scientific  Crime Detection  Laboratory, Department                                                          
of Public  Safety (DPS), said  he is not;  the bill appears  to exempt                                                          
law  enforcement  from  any  [restricted   use]  of  DNA  in  criminal                                                          
investigation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said he is torn  between holding the bill in committee for                                                          
a week  to give Senator Olson  and the insurance companies  the chance                                                          
to  weigh in  with  further suggestions  or moving  it  to the  Senate                                                          
Judiciary Committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS stated  if  the sponsor  is willing  to  work with  the                                                          
insurance  company  to  come  up  with  better  language,  the  Senate                                                          
Judiciary Committee could address that language.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN  said  she  would  prefer  that  the  sponsor  and  the                                                          
insurance representative report back to  the Senate HESS Committee but                                                          
she would not hold it up.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved  CSSB 217(HES) and its attached  fiscal notes from                                                          
committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced that without objection, the motion carried.                                                               

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